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 Mary Winkler was sentenced to 210 days in prison (less than a year) for killing her husband as he lay in bed.  A jury found her guilty of the lesser crime of manslaughter after she testified that she was physically and emotionally abused by her husband.   She testified during her trial that her husband hit and kicked her, made her look at pornography and demanded sex she considered unnatural. Jurors were shown a pair of tall, platform shoes and a black wig Winkler said she was pressured to wear during sex.

 

From my review there’s no police or hospital evidence --- only the wig, shoes and her words.  Okay, I do sympathize if this is the case but something is a mist.  Please correct me if you think I’m wrong but to me, this is not like back in the old days when a woman wasn’t protected, had no support, or a safe house.  As far as I’m concern she has gotten away with murder and to be sentence to only 210 days set a bad precedent that if I make an accusation of abuse it’s ok to kill that person. Then on top of this, she’s going to get out and get custody of her three kids. What are your thoughts?

 

 

 

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Grandad1 read my blog view my photos
Jun 8, 2007 | 5:07 PM

Well here are my thoughts;

As I am trying to equate this sentence for murder to that of Paris Hilton who violated probation by driving recklessly. 210 days for murdering your husband by shooting him in the back, compared to 45 days for a crime where people are very rarely sentenced to jail at all. (No car accident involved). Seems out of skew somehow. Envy maybe?

These are my thoughts.

Since OJ got away with murder, I really don't understand the law for very rich people. It seems to be different than for us folks!

Maybe its a California- Maryland difference of some kind.

GrandmaM read my blog view my photos
Jun 8, 2007 | 5:58 PM

I think a lot of women blame spousal abuse when they just want the insurance money, or to be free of their husbands. You don't know what goes on in someone else's home, but I have one word for these ladies: divorce. Don't kill him, get a divorce.
Shooting someone in the back isn't manslaughter, it's murder. She should be in jail for life.

beagle_buddy read my blog view my photos
Jun 8, 2007 | 6:32 PM

hey "Dad" ...shootin him in the back ...the kids in adjacent rooms as their dad slept and shot at close range with a shotgun I believe it was ...ever seen the work of a shotgun??? ...and the abuse issue was on the strength of her word alone ...not a shred of evidence collaborating her abuse story!

Now she wants to regain custody of the children …wether the rev was a saint or not will never be known ...she committed an act that she didn’t have to and she can’t say alternatives were too hard to act on …I mean how reasonably gentle is it to blow someone away in their back as they sleep, swoop the kids up and make tracks

This one leaves me unable to accept as fair and “Dad”, you’re right on comparing’ this murder with the Paris Hylton deal and tryin’ to understand justice

my2cent read my blog
Jun 8, 2007 | 9:12 PM

To me, this old sentencing thing is faulty and gives too much power to our judicial system. I would like to see our legislative (if they can) pass laws that would someone require a more standard/common (if possible) punishment/sentencing process.

As far as I'm concern in this case, this woman should not be allowed to walk free. She didn't allow her victim.

As far as Paris Hilton's sentence, I just want her to get what others would get that doesn’t have the fame or money. If that's 3 weeks incarcerated, so be it. No one is above the law.

luvmybroom read my blog
Jun 8, 2007 | 11:10 PM

Okay, I am mad as hell as I read all your 'skewed' comments ...

Let me ask you all this question ... have any of you been abused by your spouse to the point where to kill was just waiting to happen? Or where the torment was so great your mental state was shot to shi+? Based on your holier than thou responses I doubt any of you even have an inkling what this woman must have gone thru or even expereinced it .... Be lucky you havent had to deal with an abusive spouse ....

I was in this woman's shoes in my previous marriage, a long time ago and trust me shooting him in the back was probably something I would have done too ... You folks think that she should have divorced him or done something else ... trust me, when you have been in an abusive relationship, leaving it is just as difficult as living it everyday ... It infuriates me when I hear people say why didnt she leave or why didnt she divorce him ... well its not that easy .... Try it if you dare ....

Shame on you all for passing judgement on this woman .... you dont know what went on in the confines of their home and until you have all walked a mile in that woman's shoes, please stop judging her ... taking a person's life is wrong ... but what goes on in the mind of a tormented woman, is only something she will know .... not any of you ... I have been there and I have an inkling what she must be going thru ...

I hope she gets the help she needs to put her life back together again and I hope she gets her kids back from her loony in-laws ..... She has a lot to overcome .....

Malechavinist read my blog
Jun 9, 2007 | 6:15 AM

Herrrre we go again!!!!!!!
Pity me I am a female Geeesh
Well according to said female logic we should pity the guy at VT because of the trauma/drama in his life that drove him to this
Maybe we should shrug our shoulders and let those 2 women go who had ran over innocent people because they were not fed with a golden spoon as some women think every women on earth should be.
Heck, let the gangsters go...They grew up poor and abuse they were driven to kill boo hooo
Cut the crap just as I had said in another blog
Until you bal---LESS MEN (supposely) stand up to these so called lawmakers these quit allowing these split ---- killers walk for murder.
Until you soft, sensitive, pansy as-- so called men going to realize every stinkin juridiction has given women every excuse to kill and walk and you stupid ------ keep voting them in!!!!!!!
Look.... they kill the " mistake " they made when they get abortions up to nine months pregnant while they argue if it isn't born is isn't life.
They can chop off the arms of a 10 month old and the stupid ass jury said innocent by reason of insanity!!!! Where was the abuse there?
Every woman that murders and every lawyer that represents them KNOWS that they will claim an abuse story either thier husband , boyfriend nieghbor, or father.
Keep on voting these hormone control winches in office and I bet you will be in a pool of bl--d with some bim--- claiming you abused her and some gutless judge letting her off easy.
The only thing she has to overcome putting on the act in front of the jury

mcshakespeare read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 6:58 AM

MaleC-You sound like a bitter bastard. Although I agree that some people (in any race/gender/economic status) get off easy and we need to fix that in the justice system, your postings are filled with personal agendas. Maybe you are an abuser yourself. Or maybe you have left many kids fatherless because it wouldn't be your fault if a woman "got pregnant". Funny what your profile says. I haven't seen any old school "morals and values". All I've seen is an old school you know what.

Grandad1 read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 7:33 AM

Luvmybroom;

"There are many men who live married lives being abused". Do you think that is a true statement?

Do they have the right to kill their wife at some point? Or is it only for women? From your "skewed" view?

Don't get mad at this, take a ggod look at what you wrote.

Malechavinist read my blog
Jun 9, 2007 | 8:06 AM

Mcshaky,
Not bitter, just not the sensitive faux gender you assume to represent.
No, I have not abandoned any child in my life, and how your self appointed faux psychiatric talent is way off.
If you do not see anti abortion and equal justice in my comment then you obviously have taken it way too personal and you should " clean your closet" before you start analyizing others.
Talk to your therapist

beagle_buddy read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 8:36 AM

Now we’ve been given a contrasting opinion that suggests if the bit=h has been "wandering" on ya too long or you get that day in and day out, belittlin' treatment that equal grounds exist in blowin' the bag's head off

sorry but like a lot of people I've come thru a lot and I ain't ready for defending the act of this woman or any other like her ...are we at the point where we support a "get the drop on him / her before it's done to you"????

...again we have only her word there was abuse both mental and physical ...not a shred of supporting fact ...even it's so it's only a mitigating factor ...the way it stands now how do we know it wasn't a case of her longing for a different life style and the rev just wasn't up to going along with it so "plan B" was brought into play???

Malechavinist read my blog
Jun 9, 2007 | 9:40 AM

Beagle,
where were the kids when this happened /
Did they interview them to see if they seen or heard them fighting?
What did mommmy dearest say to them after she shot thier dad?
In 210 days they are going to be reunited and most likely she will end up killing them stateing another mental brealdown from her abusive(?) relationship

FREEDOMFREE read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 9:41 AM

INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM ,

JUST LEAVE .

mcshakespeare read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 9:45 AM

oh "chauvinist" I do believe in equal justice; just not your biased version. If disagreeing with you equates to taking it too personally, then clearly you have some ego issues. Other people have made gender comments on this site, and I haven't responded to them. It's just you that I have a problem with. And by the way, maybe you better learn how to spell "chauvinist". It's kind of pathetic to mispell your personal life statement. Let me guess, you did it on purpose...

mcshakespeare read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 9:52 AM

beagle_buddy-I completely agree with you. Where is the evidence? Can you just "say" that you were abused and have a "get out of jail" free card? If that is the case, then people everywhere will start saying things like that. Besides, I thought the only thing you could use as a murder defense was "self defense" and shooting someone in the back is not self defense! I definately don't want to get to the point where we can kill someone "just in case" they might kill us. But on the other side, they definately need to do something to take things seriously when someone does leave and tries to get a restraining order. Many people have been killed for leaving their abusing spouse because the court system still isn't taking domestic abuse seriously. So the point is, this has to be taken seriously on both sides and neither party; the abused or the abuser, should be excused from violent threats or murder.

luvmybroom read my blog
Jun 9, 2007 | 11:20 AM

Hear, hear McShakespeare ... how many were set on fire recently here in the local area with a so-called restraining order in place? Look what happened to Nicole Simpson .... Chavinist is just that ... a bitter Pig!

Domestic violence is still something that the community doesnt take seriously .. we hear things like ... yeah she must have pizzed him off, why didnt she leave, she could have just divorced ... like I've said before until you have walked a mile in this woman's shoes, dont judge her .... How may of you who are bshing this woman right now hve been actually abused by your spouse ... how many of you .... exaactly ... none of you .... As far as men been abused by their women .... tell them to leave, hey, go to the divorce court .... no, instead they get a gun or a can or kerosene and light up the scene ..... so this is the way the men take care of it huh?

If a woman takes care of business, she is a murderer, a man takes care of it, it becomes a crime of passion ..... BS!

Grndad1, I took a good look t wht I wrote the first time around and what I wrote came from experience, not from wtching TV ..... you can derive a lot of suppositions from watching TV! Try living it like most women do daily around the world .. being abused at the hands of someone who professes to love them one minute and then bashes their head thru the wall ....

For the longest time I thought it was my fault
for 2 years I put up with the physical abuse, trying to placate the SOB who I thought loved me and married ... from fractures, to a broken nose many times over .... I snapped after 2

mcshakespeare read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 11:45 AM

Something else to consider. In another blog we discussed that sexually deviant behaivor is a progressive thing, and that we need to take it seriously when someone does something outside the norm, say for instance flashing strangers, because tomorrow this person may be molesting someone. Domestic abuse is no different (including beating children) because it too is progressive. If someone is capable of assulting someone physically, then it is very probable that as time goes on and their anger grows they will be capable of murder too. Maybe intentionally or maybe in a fit of uncontrollable rage, but murder is murder. So it is not enough to just tell people who are abused to "leave". Like I said, many do and are still killed later. Leaving is often the thing that sets the abuser over the edge because of the "ego". Regardless of what anyone thinks on this blog, we do need to focus more time and energy into the abusers. Because unfortunately, until the law takes this issue seriously more and more abused persons are going to take the law into their own hands. Right or wrong, it is a survival mechanism. I am not speaking for this particular case. I have no idea whether this woman was abused or not. I am speaking to those people who think the simple solution is to "just leave". Abusers always pick people to abuse that are physically weaker then they are, so if you think that just walking out the door will stop any future abuse you are crazy.

beagle_buddy read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 12:14 PM

does anybody remember the Menendez brothers out in calif. a few years ago ...murdered their parents and then put forth the defense of mental / sexual abuse but nothing to back up that ploy ...they were given life if I recall correctly ...same defense but a dramatically different result ...I had no sympathy for that defense then and it plays the same with me for this case

Grandad1 read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 2:52 PM

luvmybroom;

You really don't know much about me at all. (That is if you are saying I get my opinion from TV!) You are so wrong in your assumption. I watch very little TV.

I can't do anything about the fact that you spent 2 years being abused by some jerk! I do know this!!!! You say you had your nose broken and probably had other noticable signs of the abuse. The difference is, you did not pull out a shotgun and kill your husband like this woman did. You got out! Can you see the difference?

You should have custody of your child, she should not! Big difference again! I think she should have some kind of supervised custody but not sole custody for a few years. I don't want to read that she drowned her children in the bathtub sending them to Heaven!

Now, you took my phrase "Out of skew". In this I was comparing sentences. I guess I should have added O.J., Martha Steward , Scooter Libby. These are others who's sentences were wrong. OJ- served 1 year, Martha (Lying.) Libby (lying). Martha and Scooter were not guilty of the original charges! OJ was!

Well. I am off base here. Anyway luvmybroom, don't judge me by what you read here on these blogs. You have no idea who or what I am.

I realize now this subject is personal with you, but it does not alter MY opinion or feelings here.

No harm done here today,

I STILL LOVE YOU!

GrandmaM read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 3:00 PM

I am truly sorry if you have been the victim of abuse. However, in this case, I don't get the impression of an abused wife and I don't believe her story because she shot him in the back. I don't think she should get her kids back. She may be mentally ill or selfish or whatever, but I don't think he abused her.

And before we blame all men as abusers, I've seen situations where an unstable, angry woman has a personal agenda and decides to call authorities and say her husband has hit or abused her when he has not. I don't understand it except as a deranged or immature woman trying to hurt a man. It does happen, I've seen it.

If a woman is abused, I believe a good support network and discretion are needed to be sure she can go somewhere safely and have others ready to help her when she has the opportunity to slip away.

Grandad1 read my blog view my photos
Jun 9, 2007 | 3:57 PM

Hey beaglebuddy;

Both cases involved a shotgun! Hum. I wonder?

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