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Why isn't partial birth abortion- MURDER?

If a 16 year old puts her baby into a trash can the day after giving birth, she gets 25 years in prison! But a doctor can abort a child's life the day before birth and he is protected.

How is that not MURDER!

Because the baby is still not surviving on it's own. Besides, the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act is techincally illegal because there is no exception clause. It was precidently ruled that all anti-abortion laws must have an exception clause stating that if the birth could cause the death of the mother, the abortion is legal. Bush knew this when he signed the law. As President, his job is to uphold the law, not break it. Thanks to a Republican dominated Supreme Court it has made it through once again. The two rulings go against one another and I guarentee that issue will come up once again sometime in the near future.

P.S. I'm a law student and know that everything I just said is the truth. I used to be a Republican supporter, but the things I have learned in my schooling in the past 7 years and watching our current President have persuaded me otherwise.

Excuse you, but I am a Christian and a woman and I'm not talking about giving birth to them, I'm talking about aborting them. Why are you even talking about giving birth to premature babies? That doesn't have anything to do with this. And they don't cut them to pieces. Who cares about exception clauses? What is wrong with you? If your daughter was pregnant and it was discovered that your daughter would die for sure if she gave birth, what would you do then? According to your plan, you would keep the baby and kill your daughter. Would you rather lose someone you've known for years or someone you don't even know yet. One way or the other, your decision would be killing one of them. That is what the exception clause is all about. The clause isn't to say that anyone can have the partial birth abortion just because they just decided they don't want a child. To be honest, I don't like lawyers either, but you have to be one before you can become a judge. That is where I plan to be headed. Lawyers aren't the reason America is in the shape it is today. Criminals are. Get it straight. Lawyers wouldn't exist if it weren't for them, so think before you speak. If lawyers didn't exist all of the criminals would be walking around with you. Great thought, isn't it?!? Without the law, we would be chaos. Period. Besides, that contradicts your view. You are also sticking up for the law by agreeing with the Act, so without the law, abortions would be able to be had without any stipulations and criteria at all. Especially YOU wouldn't want that, now would you. What a hy

What a hypocritical statement. So when you say nevermind the law, I'm guessing you don't actually mean that. For the last part of my statement, I would like to say that I would never have an abortion myself unless my life was in jeopardy, and maybe not even then. It's all about the situation. I want that exception clause there for people who really need it. Not me. My mother gave birth to the FIRST baby in the US that was born with Leukemia. My sister only lived for two months. In those two months she went through more pain than anyone can imagine. Hundreds of tests were done on her. She was poked and prodded so to the extent that her ENTIRE body was black and blue. She died a slow painful death after a two months of steady treatments. The doctors didn't know that my sister was going to be born like this, so we had no idea what was going to happen. But, my mother has always said that if she had known what Debbie was going to go through, she is sure she would have had an abortion because, though painful for the baby, it would have been much quicker. Watching my sister go through that tortured us all inside and those are memories I will never forget. My sister and family suffered greatly. I want that clause in there for families who know that their unborn child will suffer the same way my sister did so that they have the option to make whatever decision they find to be the best. I love it when people who have no close connection with the subject try to talk about it like they know it all. Just think about what you would do in that situation before you reply

They don't cut them up?? How do they kill them then, as they take them partially out to do this?

Study up on this!

You said they were not surviving on their own! That's why!

Get it straight yourself!!!! Criminals ARE walking around with us because of Lawyers and Loopholes AND MONEY!!!! Where have you been??

Maybe I misunderstood this issue. Are you saying you are a Christian and think abortion is OK? I believe that is a contradiction!

I'm sorry about you sister and I am glad your mother did not abort! But as you say, your sister and your mother are two different people and it is God who gives life and we are not to take the place of God!

Dear heidylane,

How bold of you to assert that I have no connection so I shouldn't speak!

What if I did have a daughter who had complications and decided to GIVE HER LIFE for her child? What if that boy is now 10 years old and the pride of my life now? Would I be able to comment on this in your view?

Well, I guess I am being too hard on you. I'm sorry. You are so young with so much to learn. I hope you "SEE" the truth before you become a judge. I wish you well.

Oh this is rediculous. You can't change the minds of fools. I'm done here. I'm guessing you think the war is alright too. Killing those people over there. That's why Bush is so great in your eyes. And you call YOURSELF a Christian. You don't get what I'm saying. I don't think abortion is okay unless the woman's life is in danger. And if you don't think that's okay, then my only guess is because it would never be your own body you'd have to worry about. If I were raped, I don't know what I'd do. I'd probably keep the baby, but I would want the option open. I can understand why your point of view would make sense and that's fine. I just wish you wouldn't be so harsh on mine. And believe me...I don't hate Bush because he believes in God. That has nothing to do with it. I don't know whether he does or not. I don't hate him...he's just not a good man in my eyes. I want peace and our soldiers back. That's why I don't like him. And it would be one thing for your daughter to decide to give her life for her son, but if you were the one that chose to do that, then no...i don't understand how you could live with yourself. You'd kill your first pride and joy just to have the second. Then he would have no mother. Something seems twisted to me about that.

Actually, I've thought about this (after cooling down and having a chuckle) and decided that we're both pretty good hot debaters. If this were a competition, I'd be honored to shake hands with you, but for now, I think our distance will do us good. Thanks for the good discussion. I'm sure this will be very interesting for other people to read.

"just because they just decided they don't want a child."
And partial-birth abortion shouldn't be available in that circumstance. I say that because if a woman doesn't want to keep it she should have gotten the abortion within the first couple of months; why wait until that baby can in all likelihood take a breath of fresh air- even if just one or half of one- before it's life is taken.
BTW: "Most times the fetus IS born alive and literally has its life taken by the doctor." And that is sometimes while the baby is still on the way out, sometimes after the baby has been completely delivered.

BTW.... lol...calling someone a fool because they don't see it your way- be HONEST, is that really Christian behaviour?
Just some food for thought, from an outside observation.

Have a nice evening the both of you, and stay blessed. :) (and that last sentence was genuine, not sarcastic)