grandillusion's Blog

"Due Process" LOL

I guess you were actually there and can verify the BEHAVIOR of those mormon off-shoot nit-wits???

Protecting/rescuing the people was what you are complaining about? It's only aftrwe the fact that we find it to be a stupid SNOBama supporter. SHE will bear the brunt of the punishment. All the members can sue HER for causing all that. The police were reacting correctly to what they were told, and Past experience with religious knuckleheads is why they guns and armor.

P.S. Grand your right!

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

correction...line 4th line from top..."state tax payers pay for...." should be "state tax taxpayers pay for the...." 6th line, "...that lifestyle has witnessed.." should be "...that lifestyle have witnessed..."

…as far as I'm concerned they can have a party every weekend and each Wednesday satisfying their sexual libidos till their eyes burst, just give a child or youthful girl a chance to decide where and when and with who, once they become an adult!!! ...

...religion my a=ss!!! ...it's huge communal whore house masquerading as some kind of people of worthy values …the design of this outfit is to create children whose minds are so shaped and warped as to be incapable of ever functioning among the world outside the no man’s land surrounding the commune and they care less about making any constructive contributions to the world around them ...they're in their own little vacuum!! …I know there’s an especially uncomplimentary word for these women who claim to be mothers and I’d like to know why they haven’t been confronted for their irresponsibility as humans and adults …self sustaining my a=ss also …as it goes for the communes’ buildings, who manufactured the roofing, the lumber materials, the window units, the plumbing system equipment, the power system components, the vehicles and the fuel that powers them …for that matter the crude oil the manufacturing processes rely on …the list goes on but one thing’s certain, they sure as hell didn’t manufacture them or extract the raw materials any of these goods rely on for becoming’ a finished product !!!! …I fail to recognize they’re anywhere close to a self sustaining existence at all, just anxious to live off the labors and wealth of too many others then they can pretend to be!!!

If the state can't use the property, every single building including the church should be blown to smithereens, thus leaving not one board standing. Every single time the criminals build it back, blow it up again...and every time a polygamist pops out a kid, take it away from them immediately and put in with an adopted parent who can and will protect that child. No more free rides for criminals who continue to break the law.

I tell you what....let me know when the cops start hauling away entire neighborhoods in DC because someone called and said there were drugs in that 'hood.

It doesn't happen. Why? Due process. Everyone has a right to be treated as an individual... what happened here was an automatic declaration of guilt by association.

If they have broken the law, they deserve to be punished... but they have the right to due process... meaning they have the right to be considered innocent in the eyes of the law until the individual is proven guilty.

Now, lets look a polygamy... what is the difference between a guy running around to two or three of his "baby mamas" houses, knocking boots, staying the night and moving on; and someone who moves all of his "baby mamas" into the same house? Not much in my opinion.

If underage marriage and sex occurred.... hell yeah, prosecute them... but there should be evidence concerning specific cases not lumping everyone into one basket.... that's due process my friend.... a right that was won from the blood of hundreds of thousands of American Soldiers.

Please don't be so quick to dismiss it, or only applying it where you see fit.

...so it goes for giving comfort and understanding to people like this who deny a kid an opportunity to develop their own independent mind on the broadest level possible... no kid in this subject would ever be able to function outside this lifestyle and even now those kids have a mountain of issues to make sense of toward becomin' an adult in the real world that exists ...no SOBin' adult gets a pass from me in what they've done to these kids for their own selfish, indulgent, simple minded ideology...are you tellin' me the right thing to have happened in the well being of these kids lives is to have continued ignoring their welfare and prospects for the future??? ...that there are no questions of the destructiveness or constructiveness of these people's defiance of the laws of their host nation…???

Free to keep ignoring what?? ...did I create an impression I have no respect for rights and the law??? …this group is a cult with doctrines and practices designed around providing youth a very narrow, limited life …girls groomed from a very early age to embrace submission and domination without having an opportunity to learn the alternatives that exist beyond the orbit of this group’s communal BS and boys have to accept a pretty narrow definition of the future they‘re entitled to …that’s child abuse pure and simple!!!! …I figure any kid, to greatest extent possible, has the right to acquire the broadest mind of intelligence they‘re capable of, the deepest appreciation of the arts they take an interest in and the free will to take up the vocation of their choice, where ever!!!! …that ain’t happenin’ and it’s only because of those who gave birth to them, who ever the hell they are …the adults of this following effectively nourish the youth to preserve their health so they can lead them into a preordained life these selfish b=astards are hell bent to force them to follow…

…some here have said authorities should’ve busted this cult’s a=sses sooner and removed the children, taking steps to see these kids experience a much broader opportunity toward their future and that looks to be very much to be the case as far as I’m concerned…

Seems we have a several things at issue here now:
…should the forces of authority consider this episode in cult conflict a model of what not to repeat?
...do we try to put the parts back together and ignore the unlawful act(s) this cult insists on continuing???
...do we cast out of our minds the willful denial to these children-youths not of legal age, an opportunity to work toward the day they have broad choices of the life they prefer to follow ???
…should this cult be considered entitled to operate as a tax exempt organization???

…all these questions still sit there to be dealt with and we have to move ahead from where things are at now…either the cult will comply with the state’s law as it applies to polygamy or pay the piper for their lawless act…I feel if a decision is that the children be returned to the custody of I ain’t sure who conditions should be applied that allow close jurisdictional oversight [if one claims to be a parent let ’em prove it - if one claims they are a child’s guardian let ‘em establish that - if they can’t then it’s gonna have to be sorted out one way or another] …in my view the cult should be reconsidered as to whether they satisfy classification as a religion …purely my view but they should not be allowed to enjoy tax exempt privileges and a tax liability should be assessed - if they can’t pay up then like anyone else the assets that can be attributed to them should be seized …

I think there’s a long road ahead for this case and the cult should get it through their dumb a=ss heads the day has come when they can’t ignore the