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Safety, safety, safety.  That's what keeps getting bantered about as the reason Montgomery County, and the "Free State" of Maryland need automated speed cameras.   

So, you'd assume that the cameras would be put in the places that have the biggest safety issues -- the most crashes, the most pedestrian collisions.  The issue came up when several people started noticing the fixed pole cameras going up in locations that didn't appear to have much of a crash problem.  We looked into it, and discovered they were right.   Check out my story and the attached documents for details.

Here's an example... New Hampshire Avenue ranks 8th on the car crash list... 2 on the pedestrian collision list (246 crashes in 2 yrs, 14 ped collisions in 2006).Viers Mill Road ranks 5th on the crash list (327 car crashes in 2 years) and 3rd for pedestrian collsions (11 in 2006). Police say they won't put speed cameras on those roads 1) because they're state roads and they'd have to go through a permitting process.. and 2) because they're major arteries and they don't want to overimpact the court system.

Yet Powder Mill Road and Richter Farm road have had so few collisions, they don't even rank... and neither had a pedestrian accident in 2006.  How can the county say the cameras are supposed to reduce car and pedestrian crashes.. if the cameras aren't in the places that have the most?

Now Governor O'Malley wants to legalize cameras statewide.. and attach a $75 fine...without any proof yet that the cameras are actually saving lives.

I've got lots of other interesting tidbits to share with you... so let's get started...

 

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pharmachick
Feb 27, 2008 | 6:48 PM

traffic cameras make just that, traffic. we all just slow down before the camera and speed up afterwards. it doesn't change anyone's driving behavior for more than a block.

Melanie_Alnwick read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 7:03 PM

The IIHS study of Montgomery County's speed cameras did say that there was some "spillover" effect with drivers going slower before and after the camera sites. But the study does not say HOW slow some people are going. The study's main author did tell me that if people are "overreacting" by crawling by the cameras, that would be important to check.

Melanie_Alnwick read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 7:06 PM

If you know of any camera locations where people are crawling by the cameras.. please let me know. I'll pass them onto the study's author. He said he'd look into it.

ghandu89
Feb 27, 2008 | 10:45 PM

I pass by the speed cameras on Bel Pre Rd in silver spring everyday going to school. Most of the traffic crawls past the cameras, and at times all of the traffic is going 20MPH past the cameras which are in a 35MPH zone.

montenegro
Feb 27, 2008 | 10:55 PM

People crawl by the cameras on Randolph Rd. I live 1/2 a mile from the camera's and drive by almost everyday. And like you demonstrated on-air going downhill you have to brake to avoid a ticket.

One can easily hit 45 and 50 going downhill, to make it down the hill below 40 you have to stop using the gas pedal as soon as you pass the light on Rocking Horse Dr. Naturally gravity increases your speed going down a hill, making everyone downhill and past the cameras. Randolph Rd. already suffers from congestion going west in the afternoon rush and these cameras increase the crawling traffic starting at Parklawn Dr. (about a mile away). At times I take Twinbrook PKWY just to avoid Randolph Rd camera traffic.

Thanks for showing how these cameras are adding to the congestion. I have to say that the cameras across the street from Wheaton High School on the same road have seemed to have reduced vehicular and pedestrian accidents.

Vote4TermLimits
Feb 27, 2008 | 10:57 PM

Corrupt Maryland & local bureaucrats have enjoyed a long, cozy relationship with looting, be it highway robbery or tax theft. Prioritizing "revenue generation" over quality of life and safety issues is SOP at all levels. The state quickly embraced speed traps back when the sophomoric 55MPH speed limit was enacted, turning the state police Gestapo into rolling meter maids. They ignored the FACT that it fostered an antagonistic relationship between police and citizenry and actually encouraged scofflaws. Now, they preen about using high tech thievery in the holy name of safety, but cameras put at bottoms of hills smacks of cops hiding in bushes... it won't likely deter road races or reduce traffic fatalities... but the spendthrifts' coffers will fill up at commuters' expense. (fyi- no, I've never gotten a photo ticket so this isn't sour grapes... I just loathe traitors who ignore illegal immigrants and burgeoning crime problems while lusting after more "revenue")

marlendale
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:06 PM

The Calverton community had been calling on the county to do something about speeders and accidents for several years. The county's actions are working. One weakness of this news report is that the data are bad. Thirty eight crashes in 27 months is probably off be a factor of 3-5. Most crashes were a single speeding car losing control, ripping up yards; knocking down signs, fences, and mailboxes; and then driving off - no police report. Over that period I had at least 12 accidents that affected my front yard, only two reported because the car was too damaged to drive away. And I didn't have the worst of it. Ever since the road surface was torn off and the mobile camera unit began enforcement, there has not been a single crash in my front yard in more than a year.

freeboy
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:22 PM

Congratulations on perfecting the art of results-oriented journalism. You set out to criticize the program, and you succeeded. But you're wrong.

Cameras only get posted on roads with a speed limit of 35mph or less, and they only trigger if a car is exceeding the speed limit by at least 11 mph. In other words, cars only will be ticketed if they are exceeding the speed limit by more than 30%. I have yet to hear a cogent or persuasive argument why that is a bad thing. But an aggrieved car owner who thinks he has a good excuse for such bad behavior still has an opportunity to take his case to court. I doubt many will.

Further, your suggestion that cameras must be misplaced since not all the locations have extensive crash histories is just plain silly. Should we be required to wait for people to be injured before we take action to mitigate unsafe conditions? Of course not. If the police determine that particular locations are particularly dangerous, they should be encouraged to use whatever tools are available to them to improve conditions.

Sand
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:25 PM

Check out the speed signs on Fisher Ave., Poolesville, MD. Where the speed cameras are the zone is apparently 30 mph, but you can see the signs up ahead that say 40 mph. So it's 40 on one side of the road, Eastbound, and 30 mph on the other side, Westbound. This is a real ripoff. I wish the signs matched the speed cameras.

Sand
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:26 PM

Check out the speed signs on Fisher Ave., Poolesville, MD. Where the speed cameras are the zone is apparently 30 mph, but you can see the signs up ahead that say 40 mph. So it's 40 on one side of the road, Eastbound, and 30 mph on the other side, Westbound. This is a real ripoff. I wish the signs matched the speed cameras.

trafficfool
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:26 PM

I applaud your report.
Both I and my wife were caught on the bottom of the hill Randolph. In my case it was when MC was still using the mobile unit, my wife's was clocked by the permanent cameras.

There is no doubt in my (and probably hundred others) mind that this specific set of cameras are nothing but an entrapment for revenue generation. Just put the car in neutral and let it slide down the hill and it will reach a velocity that exceeds the speed limit.

When I received the ticket and went online to see the enlarged images, I was able to establish the distance the car passed (using the cracks on the asphalt) and I even call into doubt the accuracy of the system. I considered appealing the ticket, but determined it was not worth the wasted hours of bureaucracy biased traffic adjudication that puts the burden of disproof on the driver.

We learned our lesson, and have pretty much mapped the location of most cameras in our regular driving routes. When possible, simply look for alternative roads. When it is not possible, we, like many other drivers are forced to conscionably brake to slower than natural speed that is appropriate to the road condition, inviting a rear-end accident.

Finally a green comment. Slowing at the bottom of the hill just before the incline on the other side also unnecessarily increase gasoline consumption, energy waste, and pollutes our air.

Melanie_Alnwick read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:36 PM

Marlendale: The crash data was provided to us by the Montgomery County Police department. I do hope that the engineering controls DPWT is doing will help Calverton Boulevard.

Freeboy: I guess it depends on who decides what "particularly dangerous" means. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's Montgomery County study said that nearly 80% of collisions are NOT caused by speeding. 4 national organizations putting together "best practices" for the placement of speed cameras have said that the first criteria should be a demonstrated "high speed" crash problem...not the number of speeders one might catch. Furthermore, Dr. Anthony Kane, of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials told me that before any speed cameras go in -- traffic engineering studies must be done to determine if the speed limit is appropriately set. That is not part of the County's formula.

touring
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:41 PM

Maryland officials once again have it all wrong. They are treating the symptom rather than the problem. Speed is not the issue, but rather traffic congestion. People speed because our roads are poor, poorly planned, have not kept up with urban/suburban growth. As a result, our time to get from Point A to point B is hampered and when an individual sees clear road ahead they speed to make up time. Funds would be better spent on "smart" traffic lights and controls rather than the "dumb" 1900's traffic technology pervasive throughout the state, "smart" speed limit signs that alter a roads speed based on density and road design limits and most importantly driver awareness programs to educate drivers on more efficient road use such as moving to the right to let drivers pass, maintaining minimum speed on major roads, letting left turn signal drivers on two ways roads to cross oncoming traffic before proceeding when light turns green, etc. etc. While we need new roads, we need to use the roads we currently have more efficiently. Lights designed to improve traffic flow rather than impede flow. Traffic lights that turn green when no cars approaching light. The goal is to move cars from Point A to Point B in less time. This saves gas, improves quality of life, improves air quality and would result in less congestion thus reducing the statistical incidence for cars colliding with other cars.

Imagine if strict speed limits were enforced tomorrow on I95 or the Beltway if speed cameras were installed. The city would come to a standstill! We would suffer 24 hour non-stop gridlock and o

Melanie_Alnwick read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:41 PM

Trafficfool: here's another tidbit for consideration...
The law requires the cameras to be checked for accurate calibration every year. (it's part of the proposed state law too) So who's going to void all those tickets that were received under erroneous circumstances and refund the money if the cameras are out of whack? Don't you think that ought to be required?

workerant
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:45 PM

There is one on Wayne Ave near Sligo Creek Park. Average speed on that road is 40mph and post speed is 30mph. Ppl do slow down and speed right back up. To make it worse, at the bottom of the hill there is a hard turn and right away is a red light intersection with one of the two lanes become a turn only. The unexpected few have to scramble onto the right lane to go strait.

My wife got a ticket here but going up hill which is not very bad. And we never got the first bill. When we came back from our trip that's when we saw the second bill. She called them, their reply was they don't care if we received the first bill or not but we could wait for the next bill which will keep adding on the late fee.

It's not about the speeding or accidents, it's about generating the money.

Melanie_Alnwick read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:47 PM

Touring:
The proposed Statewide law would allow cameras in 40 mph zones and work zones, so that potentially does open the door to Interstates. It would also give any municipality the right to run a speed camera, even if that municipality doesn't have a police department. Prince George's County wants to be able to put the cameras anywhere it sees fit.

BlueEyes4
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:48 PM

I totally think the cameras can help, but it's not the only solution. I've gotten a ticket.

FYI - If you get a speed camera ticket, you have an unreasonable time frame to pay the ticket. If you don't pay it in time, they tack on late fees. Bleeding hearts have no chance on fighting the late fees. Totally unreasonable! Maryland "Free State" not true.

MCP and other surrounding jurisdictions need better solutions, and they need to allow the people of the county,to voice their opinions, and actually take the time to listen to the people.

There is three different posted speed signs on several roads that are arranging from 40, to 30, to 25 and while driving within those changing time frames (every two or three minutes or btw cars) are causing more issues. Not all drivers can control their speed that quickly, having (four cars in front of you) without causing serious traffic jams and more accidents. There should be posted speed signs for a specific areas (not including school zones, hospital zones, and fire stations), that are reasonable SPACED out. That needs to be checked into. Speed signs need to be adjusted.

Try, listening to us more often, and we will try to donate to your organization more often, when needed, for better causes.

Melanie_Alnwick read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:58 PM

And I do agree that the cameras can work -- when they are used, as the National Forum on Speeding suggested, prudently and selectively.

BDole
Feb 28, 2008 | 12:40 PM

The video that goes with the story shows what's happening: people look at the camera, hit the brakes, then speed right back up. The "hit the brakes" part is dangerous because it can cause rear-end collisions.

The Insurance Industry recently came up with a "study" that implies some kind of safety-related improvement is going on in Maryland. Read it. It is based on THREE HOURS worth of data collected at each test location -- a pathetically small sample. Which days were selected for the tiny sample? Well, IIHS doesn't tell you. If the results aren't repeatable or verifiable, the study is not scientific.

So what is it? It's marketing. The insurance industry has a direct financial interest in promoting speed cameras. Along with the Maryland "study," IIHS simultaneously released results from the speed camera program in Arizona. There, the hundreds of thousands of tickets issued just happen to generate license points.

So the "study" helps promote a program that generates tens of millions of dollars worth of raised insurance premiums -- i.e., increased profits for the insurance industry. As the saying goes: follow the money. That's what this is all about.

Alanpasteur
Feb 28, 2008 | 1:32 PM

I think before we decide about money grubbing Maryland we need to educate ourselves where the money is going. I overheard a conversation from a young man in a restaurant who got a speeding ticket for going 80 miles an hour in a school zone on Wooten Parkway who was complaining why did he get a ticket in front of a school zone if there wasnt supposed to be anyone in school? I also remember a news article about a speed related death of a young elemantary school student who was hit on his way home. Please try to explain to the parent of the young man that cost effective speed cameras that enable us to have more officers on the street is ENTRAPMENT and WRONG. Again, I guess it just isnt fair that we are held accountable for our action when there is no one around to catch us...

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Melanie_Alnwick

I'm Melanie Alnwick. I've been with Fox-5 since 1999, and I've worked just about every shift in the building! You may have seen me reporting for Fox-5 News at 10, filling in on the anchor desk morning, noon, night or weekends, and bringing you Investigative reports. Currently I anchor "Fox Morning News Sunday" and bring you our Money reports. I'm looking forward to sharing thoughts & ideas with you -- about our news, our newsroom... and our busy lives. See you on Sundays -- 8 to 9 am!

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