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by BigSmooov from NE Washington DC

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Throughout history, animals have been used for competitive sport.  Majority of the time, it's for profitable gains $$$$.

What happens after they can no longer perform the task they were intended to do?  

     Last year I was driving along one of the rural areas of VA and I pulled over to some little run down shack of a gas station/snack shop.  I over heard the cashier and the customer talk about the dog the customer had that can no longer be used for hunting.  The cashier asked the customer, "When are you going to take him into the woods and put him down?"  The customer just replied "I'm on the way now."  I looked at the dog that was still in the truck and wondered what was wrong with it.  It didn't look diseased or act violent when I walked past the truck.  I asked the cashier why was he going to kill him.  The cashier responded "It's getting too old to hunt." 

WHAT!?!?!?!?!

     The insident at the Kentucy Derby reminded me of that little story.  When Eight Belle went down, she was "euthenized."  The owner thought it was the "humane" thing to do. 

Don't let me get on Rodeos though.  I can type forever on that one.

Now....answer me this...........

What was the difference between what Michael Vick was involved in, what the Kentucky Derby just allowed, what Rodeos do all the time, and what the VA hunter did?

Something isn't right American....something isn't right!

 

 

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Mountaineerfan read my blog view my photos
May 5, 2008 | 6:15 PM

O.K. "Smooov",I'm gonna call yer bluff.What kind of dog was it?What part of Va. was it in?Sorry but I've never known anyone who owned a hunting dog to have "put it down because it's too old to hunt".Sorry but you're lying.

Also,if you don't know the difference between puting an animal down due to a misery(either real or percieved)and training dogs to tear each other to pieces in a fight then you really are fvking clueless.

BigSmooov read my blog
May 5, 2008 | 11:31 PM

I'm not from W.VA M_fan and I'm too old to be lying.

Animal abuse is animal abuse. Like it or not...it's true. They killed the horse right there in front of all those people. Come on now.

Mountaineerfan read my blog view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 12:25 AM

"I'm not from W.VA"

Neither am I.If you paid better attention you would know that.

"I'm too old to be lying"

Well then what kind of a dog was it and where was it at?

"They killed the horse right there in front of all those people."

Well,maybe if you have some sort of an injury or disease one day that you'll never recover from,like the horse,maybe you'll get lucky and someone will put you out of your misery.Of course we could just throw you in a cage with some psycho.What's the difference,right?

milu read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 4:13 AM

Well, I'm glad to hear that Mountain doesn't know of anyone who would kill their hunting dog. But that does not negate that Smoov could be telling the truth. Frankly, you both could be telling the truth.

It looks to me like Congress has to write some law to protect race horses and, perhaps, exclude poor Phillies. Animals must be treated humanely.

milu read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 4:17 AM

But it is wrong for Smoov to use the words "some demographics." One person's doing something can hardly be attributed to a whole "demographic." What kind of distorted thinking do you have, Smoov?

Mountaineerfan read my blog view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 4:47 AM

Milu,two broken ankles is an injury which a horse cannot recover from.Well,maybe some can but Eight Belles' injuries were just too massive.There was no way this horse was gonna walk again.Lying down for the rest of it's life isn't an option either as all that would do is cause a slow miserable death by slow suffacation.Large animals don't like to lie down,especially on their sides for just that reason.
Now,Milu,regarding Smooov telling the truth I reckon anythings possible.In fact don't take my word for it.Ask any number of others here if they think he's telling the truth and you'll probably get the same answer.When it comes to Smooov I have a few choice words I could use starting with "pattern of behavior" if you know what I mean.
As for hunting dogs,a good dog like that is part of the family.It's just as much a pet as a work animal.My uncle was a world champion Beagle breeder and despite owning 20-30 dogs at a time each and every one of those dogs was always special to him.
Also,I and many others I know have owned many a coon hound over the years and if you ask any of them about having to put down a dog you instantly get a negative response and then the old dog stories begin.Naw,I can't see anyone I've ever known even considering putting a dog to sleep just because it's too old to hunt.Us being average dog owners and most people around here being "dog people" I just don't find it likely enough to give Smooov the benefit of the doubt.Hell,I doubt if I'll even get an answer regarding where it was or what sort of dog it was,especially given the several dozen answers I'm s

Mountaineerfan read my blog view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 4:48 AM

Continued:

Hell,I doubt if I'll even get an answer regarding where it was or what sort of dog it was,especially given the several dozen answers I'm still waiting on from him regarding many other subjects from the past year or so.

Mountaineerfan read my blog view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 4:51 AM

BTW,Milu,you asked "What kind of distorted thinking do you have, Smoov?"

In a nutshell he's implying that redneck white folks can get away with animal cruelty but the black man gets picked on.He's making a lame stab at trying to connect putting an animal out of it's misery with pit bull fighting.The only way for him to make his case is to pretend there's no difference.

Y3Y3 read my blog view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 5:40 AM

BINGO! Smooov, will grasp at any straws to attempt to validate his stupid assumptions.

Who cares what he has to say on ANY subject.

cindalu view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 7:20 AM

Have you all been around horses. Those track horses LOVE to run!!!! Its thier life. The problem I see is that owners start thier animals at 1, when most horses bones are not finished growing and the knees close at three and a horse is not considered "mature" until it starts hitting double digits.

Those track horses are run hard for the money. And for goodness sake, dont take it out on the jockey!!!!! Look at the owners and the training system.

Its the same in all equestrian sports. Look at barrel racers, grand prix jumpers, even some of the dressage stuff. These horses love what they do, its a matter of how early they start.

As for putting her down right then and there, congratulations, that was a wise decision. Barbaro should have been put down right off too. Massive leg injuries dont bode well with equines.

Sam_in_DC read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 8:05 AM

I have to disagree with you Mountaineerfan. When I was young growing up in PA I had an uncle who kept hunting dogs. When they were no longer able to hunt or if they were not good hunters he simply took them in the woods tied them to a tree and shot them. I was young but I think I remember him shooting a dog that "got the taste of blood" or something like that. So from personal experience, I know that this can happen.
As for the topic of this blog, in my opinion the hunter killing the dog because it no longer serves its purpose is wrong the only difference I can see is that the hunter likely killed the dog swiftly. In the Vicks case the dogs were mistreated and tortured.
As for the Kentucky Derby, the animal was humanely uthanized because it was severely injured...not the same thing.

Y3Y3 read my blog view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 11:00 AM

Perhaps you didn't know it, but your uncle was an"AH". We don't need any more shallow idiots so I hope you are 'fixed'

caffeinated-cow read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 11:51 AM

I agree with cindalu about race horses.

And I agree with Sam on this point: when a vet puts down any animal, whether it's a race horse or a cat or even a prize Jersey cow, it's done humanely. They don't drown them or hang them. And that's the main difference between Michael Vick dogs and Eight Belle.

BigSmooov read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 12:52 PM

I understand why they had to put the horse down, its just that.....why right there on the track? Come on now! Explain that to the children that are their with their parents watching it be killed just because it's unable to perform it's main purpose....to make it's owners money.

M-fan....no...I don't know my breed of dogs that well...so I couldn't tell you.

Y3Y3...I'm here because of you! If there are going to be people like you that will love to see "certain people" in their places...there will be people like me to counter your conservative views. You can't have night without day!

Me personally though...I'm glad to see the popularity of horse racing and rodeos decline. You can say that horses are born to race....but....putting them to extreme measures to make them run faster is not cute at all.

I was looking at a rodeo the other day and wondered to myself, "Does that baby calf look as if it's having fun being tackled and roped up?" "Does that bull look as if it's having fun having spurs dug into it's sides?" I don't think so.

litehouse08
May 6, 2008 | 2:14 PM

Animal curelty is cruelty. Horses are pushed beyond their limits to make their owners money. It is wrong no matter how you look at it. Unfortunatly when a horse goes down like that they have to be put down. They cannot survive with most of their injuries. It's very unfortunate. And as for hunting dog's, yes there are some owners out there that will shoot the dogs if they are too old to hunt. It is also an unfortunate truth. But that goes to show the savage part of people. Not all, but there are some out there. You cannot watch everyone. But remember that if you see something that is not right, get involved, i do and i have to say it does work. Sometimes you have to be persistant, but do it. I stopped in the middle of the road when a mans dog had run off and they were going after it. He grabbed the dog by the head and slammed it litteraly into the side of the car and shoved it inside. I stopped and yelled, got license plate and called the cops. The dog is no longer with those people. It will work. Get involved.

Y3Y3 read my blog view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 3:09 PM

The horse couldn't walk without extreme pain. THATS WHY the horse was euthanized on the track.

Unless the dog is in pain, it shouldn't be put down either.

BigSmooov (BS) you need to get a grip. Nobody cares about who's in what place. Ditch that uncle tom mentality.

cindalu view my photos
May 6, 2008 | 6:20 PM

Dont give me the too cruel for kids to see BS!!
Kids need to learn about life and death plain and simple so when grandma kicks it its not a surprise.

jadeddude read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 6:27 PM

Lets see,whats the difference in humanely putting a horse out of misery and severe pain; and watching dogs tear each other to pieces in a new ghetto as_ thug tradition that is pervasive in the country? How anyone can equate one with the other is inane or a lame attempt at saying Vick didn't deserve what he got! He did deserve it if only for his own stupidity! Hey I'm a millionaire football icon at the peak of my game but I don't want to seem like I'm not like the boys in da hood so lets go to one of my homes and tear some dogs apart oh yeah!Like I said he deserves it for being an idiot. He hasn't been sentenced in Va. yet so he will probably be getting some more time on top of it! POOR Micheal THE IDIOT!Hey Smoov was he one of your fantasy football picks?

milu read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 10:37 PM

litehouse08: Right on! Way to go!

I just don't think that race horses like the grueling experience of a derby race. That seems like a stretch to me. Perhaps, Phillies should not run. So, I do think that Rep. Whitfield from KY is right to be considering the need for legislation to protect these animals.

Mountain: I don't see the need for details on this dog mentioned by Smooov. We have learned here that it is done by some. We can only hope that cruelty of all kinds is something that will be siphoned out of our (lack of) humanity and become something from our past.

milu read my blog
May 6, 2008 | 10:43 PM

Spelling erors guys! Come on, I'm going to hold a remedial class on Sat.

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